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We need a disable reverse feature now with V2 remote

Discussion in 'Carbon GT' started by mrbooon, Jan 7, 2017.

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  1. wiztecy

    wiztecy Member

    Have you read thoroughly all the thread on the issues? You can't reproduce most of these issues sitting on your couch. They are "environmental" induced issues for the majority of them. Did you understand what I said or see the links that were uploaded showing the RF degradation when you put carbon fiber around an antenna? That's just basic RF design, and this is a major flaw the CGT has. You're just lucky if you haven't ridden your CGT in an area with high RF interference. Also as I mentioned, there may be some BT radios that are not on the edge for having poor reception and might not be affected as much as others.

    I was like you too buddy, when a guy reported his board going into reverse, and became hurt from it as a result. However, I didn't judge him and had no reason to doubt him, and in no way did I have a place to comment that it didn't happen to him. However when I experienced the same issue as what he experienced, I could related and I did post the thread of my experience right after the ride while I was on the bus going to work.

    You don't have a believer and I hope you stay safe. I'm not trying to sell you anything. But I am an engineer and I see from this perspective design flaws in the board. And like I said, if you've been hurt before by something and it went out for repair, you don't put 100% trust in it and you don't take your eyes away from what your doing. If I didn't get hurt and have my board act up 4 other times, I'd also agree with you that there could be a small possibility that I may have not been paying attention and did something. However again, why would the board go into reverse or full braking mode when I have the remote engaged in a forward mode going 9mph? Where the V2 design of the remote was to prevent this. How can you not all that an issue? Again, when you get hurt with something and its come back for repair, if you're smart, you don't trust it, you take it simple, and build up confidence. It was only a week of getting the board back that it acted up again.
     
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  2. anticrisus

    anticrisus Member

    wiztecy, based on your own descriptions of the events leading to this problem, is seems pretty likely that you are running into the same problem that mrbooon experienced.

    I posted a suggestion for the Evolve team on your behalf. The "allow reverse" option should solve your problem, and I added a few more suggestions to help riders avoid injury. I hope this helps you.

    I don't work for Evolve - i'm just another satisfied customer. I have made some suggestions, but i am overwhelmingly THRILLED with my board, and want to help the guys at evolve continue to make kick-ass products. They have requested feedback and setup a forum for collecting suggestions, so lets help them out. Thrashing Evolve continuously, especially when it may be your error, is just not productive.
     
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  3. homy

    homy Member

    Yes, I read, but these are all your theories, right? THEORIES? how many proved cases we have? I know it might be issues for RF with Carbon Fiber, but its not that easy to claim, because it depends on the density of the fiber and there are many factors that you have to consider and test all of them. Thermal issue is one of the factors that may have reflection, but nothing is obvious or proved yet about this board yet. I am not aware of tests that Evolve is doing before releasing their product but I know they are following standards in their product line. Do you know how many Carbon layers Evolve used in their fiber? How did they laminate it? Again, at first you can see you have a good reception in 99.9% of the time. And if you are an engineer then you know that the safety can not be %100 but it must increase always and have acceptable rate. Having said that, I still think, it is enough safe yet.

    I did not like to bring my job up or talking about myself, but I am Engineer too (not a mechanic one though), I am also a researcher and teach at uni, I am aware of quality assurance process. I know the difference between good and bad design and engineering. Most importantly, I am not saying that you are not right but I am saying, you have not enough/acceptable evidence to support your arguments. Talking is not enough about these big errors. You must come up with enough experiments with evidence to convince Evolve or even court! These are environmental? means they are not general problems and they are exceptions?! even if these are exceptional then you can make environment and its %100 possible.

    I have never trusted in any product %100, but I rely on my skill and awareness and I know my weaknesses if I am playing or using a technical/electrical device/board/etc. I appreciate all your concerns about users safety, but if you really want Evolve engineers hear you or save others from these errors (which I assume thats your concern) and these errors are highly dangerous risks to users safety then you have to have more experimental evidences than only theories and typing in the forum or FB. Record a video or do a lot of experiments, write down all results. I believe if you do that then even Evolve will pay you.

    All in all, I am a user/customer like you, I am interested to find any fault in my product as well.
     
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  4. forbesmyester

    forbesmyester Member

    I am not so quick to dismiss wiztecy's or the opening posts claims.

    A new remote from Evolve, which I had in < 24hrs sorted my problems out but that original remote was truly awful. Delays were either instant or of the order of 5 seconds. It was so bad that even when stopped and looking at the remote it took multiple attempts to get it into the desired gear about 50% of the time.

    As I say the new remote solved the issue, but now I know that the commands for changing gears (at least) with a bad connection can be executed at some indeterminate time in the future.
     
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  5. Alex

    Alex Admin

    I think that with the 'geared' design of this remote, you're right. I imagine the majority of riders don't use reverse as often as riders of other boards that have reverse built directly into the remote slider, where one direction is acceleration, then pulling back in the other direction is break and reverse.

    Reverse is definitely useful for many riders, but my goodness, this jumping down gears on it's own with no feedback to the user seems to be one of the biggest issues. I feel it's the lack of feedback which is the poor design here.

    I rarely look at the remote when I'm riding. If I'm going 10-20mph you can bet I'm focussing on what's in front of me, especially so if I'm in a dangerous urban environment commuting on the road with large vehicles.

    You need to be able to trust your 'gear up' and 'gear down' button taps without looking, just like shifting on a car.

    If the device shifts down one or two gears of it's own accord when going up a hill, it must feed that info back to the user somehow without relying on having them look at the screen. This could be audible beeps or vibrations. Of all parts of your journey, I'd say going up a hill is one of the least likely places you'll be keeping an close eye, visually, on your remote.

    The same could be done for standard gear changes, so the rider has reliable feedback at all times as to exactly when the gear is changing, and what gear it's changing to. This would also help with the lag issue where some riders find there's a delay before it kicks in, if the feedback was also delayed they can at least wait and trust the feedback (although the lag issues should still be fixed at root)

    Technically, this may be correct, as it's working 'as designed' jumping down the gears, but when does bad design become a defect? When it happens enough that it's injuring or affecting many riders because the design doesn't inform the user action was taken? That's probably a good place to start.

    If it's pro users using them, make them pro functions then, not enabled by default, so that the casual users (who I imagine makes up the majority of riders) don't have to concern themselves with them.

    Try not to hate on wiztecy, he has done a huge amount of troubleshooting and contributed a lot of quality info and feedback about the boards to this site. He's definitely had a number of very unfortunate issues documented in dozens of threads and I don't blame him for being frustrated at this point.

    The theories are as a result of observing real world issues (that riders beyond himself are experiencing) and trying to help resolve them. He's only trying to help and not claiming to know the root cause, but hoping discussion about it may allow us to figure it out (given the lack of feedback and comms from Evolve).

    The drop out connection issues concern me the most, even if they are environmental. They shift from exceptions to general problems if you only ride in that environment, such as a built up urban area or anywhere else that for whatever reasons affects the signal used.

    I can't really comment on the GT connection reliability as I'm running a pre-GT carbon at the moment, but there are areas of London where I consistently lose connection, and it's potentially very dangerous if you're riding in the road. I got stuck in a bike lane last week over a major bridge in London and it was scary. If I didn't keep up with the flow, it would affect cyclists coming up behind me who wouldn't anticipate me stopping, as why would I? There's no obstacles. My invisible connection to my board just crapped out.

    I've ordered a board from another manufacturer for other reasons (I wanted a super light compact board), but I will be testing it on some of the known signal hot spots to see if is also affected. There's a lot of brands out there that seem to have rock solid connections in urban environments, I don't see why EvolveHQ wouldn't be able to overcome it too.

    It would be nice to hear from them at some point.
     
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  6. julian46

    julian46 Member

    Me too Alex - looking forward to it

    The big mystery for me is why some riders never have issues and some seem to even after repeated hardware swaps etc - riding environment ?
     
  7. pokiebumwanke

    pokiebumwanke Member

    I learned after the first time I did a Superman off my board to make sure I push the right button. After painting the Rev. button red. It hasn't happened since. Selling my board because of my own mistake is out of the question!!
     
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  8. anticrisus

    anticrisus Member

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  11. don100100

    don100100 Member

    I dis-agree, because I ride my board reverse for better control n carving especially the smaller board. It is much easier to control when you r being pulled instead of pushed. So people like me reverse is going forward..
     
  12. LogoQRCodeCom

    LogoQRCodeCom Member

    The board computer and battery inside the board looks like a Swiss Clock but we don't have good developers :-( the system shucks.
    My board when just going a little down the hill it immediately shuts down and leave me without breaks :-( US logic not only unsafe but the board is down for a long time and I have to walk back miles. US Corporations don't care about users at least most. Until some really get hurts and a good lawyer takes a case against Evolve. I miss boosted boards bullet proof smart system for years. Here my board only 18 months and is dead

     
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